Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tantra,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: alt.magick TOPY REFerence file Followup-To: alt.magick Summary: This is a REFerence file for the alt.magick newsgroup. As such it constitutes an attendant file to the alt.magick FAQ, which is intended as an introductory file and its content may be discussed within the alt.magick.* contellation. The FAQ is available at: ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Usenet/Magick/FAQ.amgkfaq.9510 X-URL: http://www.portal.com/~tyagi/amgkfaq.html Keywords: Supercedes: 9510 References: ftp://www.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Web/Amgkfaq/ From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (tyaginator) Reply-to: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (tyaginator) Archive-name: magick/topyref Version: 9511 Posting-Frequency: every six months or per request From: tyagI@houseofkaos.Abyss.coM (tyagi mordred nagasiva) To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick Subject: Eet This TOPEEphiles (Was Re: temple of the psychic youth) Date: 49940926 1> What is Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth? Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth (TOPY) is an organization of Individuals dedicated to updating and de-mystifying religious thought. We are also dedicated to creating a world where Individuals can be free to express themselves by whatever means they wish to. We wish to break Control at all levels. We experiment with whatever methods we can utilize to accomplish these goals - magick, technology, poetry, musick, whatever! After existing as an unrecognized entity for over ten years, TOPY incorporated as a non-profit religious organization in early 1993. 2> What does TOPY do? A large part of the work of TOPY involves networking with others of TOPY around the world. Information is power and the more Information that flows thru the network, the more power the network will have. We share our experience, hopes, dreams, and desires. We will all grow together. As an extension of this philosophy, members of TOPY also make time once a month (usually on the 23rd) to perform a sigil ritual that constitutes a psychick contact with the rest of the network. It is the performance of this ritual that defines an "active" member of TOPY. 3> What are the beliefs of TOPY? TOPY has no imposed belief structure. We are all Individuals, and as such may believe whatever we like. For the most part, people that are attracted to TOPY do feel a certain sense of rejection from society, and a desire to break the chains imposed on them by that society. As such, we have a disproportionate amount of artists, musicians, writers, computer programmers, and the like in our midst. 4> Is TOPY allied with any other groups? TOPY is not formally aligned with any other occult groups whatsoever. 5> What does the Psychick Cross mean? The Psychick Cross is a symbol of TOPY. That is its main meaning. It can also represent a trinity, a reversal of the Papal Cross (ie: two long crossbars and one short), and a TV aerial (receiver and transmitter of information). No meaning is imposed upon it by the group. 6> What is a Coyote? Kali? or Eden? All these terms are used for someone who is active in the network. They are usually used with a number (ie: Coyote129). The numbers have no meaning in and of themselves, they are merely a means to differentiate between Individuals. Coyotes are generally localized to the USA, Eden and Kali are used internationally. 7> What do "ratios" mean? The ratio system as developed by TOPY is designed to help focus the work of the network by keeping access to information with those who use the information. This does not mean that it is restricted from those who do not! All channels of information are available to anyone at any time. Ratio Zero is that information that does not require any involvement in the Temple to receive. Ratio Zero is the Flatworld. This document is Ratio Zero. Ratio One is the key to the Temple. This is where information related to the Individuals magickal work is transmitted and received. ALL HIGHER RATIOS are based on Ratio One. Ratio Two is working magickally with other Individuals. This can be by working with APs or with others that have realized Ratio One. Ratio Three is your Ratio Two group reaching out to interact with others in the Ratio Two level, as well as attempting to interact with the Flatworld (Ratio Zero). Please note that these channels are not related to TOPY alone. If you work within a Coven, then you are working at Ratio Two. If you are helping your Coven to contact and network with other Covens, or even other groups of no relation then you are working at Ratio Three. 8> Why does TOPY spell funny? A common belief in TOPY is in the magickal power of language. We feel that the manipulation of everyday phrases can break the automatic loop of "speaking without thought". We wish to control our own words, our thoughts, and expression. We can do this by consciously changing the language to meet our needs. 9> What role does Psychick TV and Genesis P-Orridge play in TOPY? Genesis helped found the Temple many years ago, as an outgrowth of his own Ratio One work. It has since grown far beyond his expectations. He holds no special status within the Temple, and is not currently an active member. Psychick TV was originally founded as the "propaganda arm" of TOPY. It served this function well until Genesis decided to terminate his relationship with the Temple. The ideas and methods that were in use in PTV are still in use in other, less sensational, propaganda efforts of TOPY. PTV never had any official connection to the Temple as it manifested in North America. 10> What can i read to find out more? Required reading for those interested in TOPY is the GreyBook. It is the central document of TOPY, and explains much about the underlying ideas to the actions that the Temple manifests. It is available from TOPYsothis in hardcopy form, and can also be ftp'ed from the site below. Beyond the GreyBook, the Temple produces a quarterly magazine. It contains information on what TOPY has been up to, as well as a collection of articles written by allies and active members. Write the Station for more info. Most of the literature of the Temple from 1980-1990 will be online by June 1993. 11> What do i need to do to find out more? Contact any of these addresses: USA: Station TOPYNA: Box 33565, San Diego, CA 92163-3565 Access Point TOPYsothis, Box 410724, SFCA, 94141-0724 Access Point TOPYSexT, Box 14334 #166, Austin, TX 78761 Access Point TOPYBabylon, Box 3024, Fullerton, CA 98411-1327 TOPYDigital:alamut@netcom.com , BBS: 415.431.7541 2300 Market St #93, SF, CA 94114 UK: Station 23, Box 687, Halfway, Sheffield, S19 5UX, England Europe: Der Tempel, Box 1912, 5200 BX Den Bosch, Holland Australia: TOPYChaos, Box A1441, Sydney South, NSW 2000, Australia also, TOPYdigital mantains an FTP site on the Internet: netcom.com look for information in the directory /pub/alamut -- --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---|---> More. More of Everything. 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Other requests for distribution should be directed to the individual authors of the particular articles. nagasiva, tyagi tyagI@houseofkaos.Abyss.coM (I@AM) To: alt.magick From: alamut@netcom.com (Maxwells Delysid Machine)] Subject: Re: TOPY |=P=| A Statement of Direction |2| Temple ov Psychick Youth North America |=3=| Coyote 129, Station Staff 10.01.1994 ------------------------------------------- We have recently been informed that Genesis P'Orridge has stated the following: "Thee main point ov this transmission is to reiterate that TOPY ended in 1991. Anyone who tells you otherwise is addicted to thee past, did not read thee Gray Book clearly and carefully, does not understand thee meaning of thee word CHANGE, puts their ego and their dogma before individual magick, and is generally suspect and is, at best, an emotional cripple. It is wrong to let thee dead not lie." We can only assume that Genesis P'Orridge believes that he owns and CONTROLS the spiritual growth and well being of all sigilizers everywhere. Only a person operating with that belief would presume that they could render any spiritual value an Individual found within the TOPY framework null and void after Sept 1991. We do not share this belief. We respect the rights of the Individual to determine their own path of magickal self expression. TOPY is a viable magickal organization as long as a single Individual attempts to look within themselves and engender a deeper understanding of themselves. Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth is an active and growing organization, with dozens of operating bodies on four continents. Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth North America is an incorporated religious organization, with members across the USA and Canada. Genesis P'Orridge is not a member of TOPYNA, nor has he ever been. We do wish to recognize the work that Gen did with TOPYUK (Station 23) and give him all due credit for his insight. Much of what we call TOPY today was built upon the foundation he helped create. However, a foundation is not all a building is made of. The remainder of TOPY was built with the dedication and vision of hundreds of others, each contribution as important as Gens'. One of the documents to be found at the FTP site mentioned in the message from Gen is a file called "The_Process_Is". This was a document created jointly by TOPYUK and TOPYNA and was a collection of active Sigilizers describing the role that TOPY plays in their magickal work, and in their lives. It became a process document by simply replacing all references to "TOPY" with "The Process". We welcome being called "emotional cripples" by Individuals who demonstrate such respect for other Individuals magickal work. (BTW: the original version was reprinted in Broadcast 4/5, available from the Station) As for the GreyBook, we have never considered the GreyBook to be a static document. To do so would place the writings of one time of higher import than the reality of the timeframe. To refer to the GreyBook as gospel is a laughable tactic! (also, i guess i didn't read it "clearly and carefully" for i cannot find any timeframe for TOPY to exist at all! it is available at our FTP site, alamut.topy.org, please look for yourself.) We wish to emphasise the fact that TOPY will not cease operation, merely because someone says so. We wish Genesis P'Orridge and his allies the best of luck in their future magickal and professional endeavors. We hope they fare better than their namesakes.... ------------------------------------------- Contact Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth North America at the following points: (include SASE for swiftest reply) Station TOPYNA (formerly TOPYSOL): P.O. Box 33565, San Diego, CA, 92163-3565 FAX : (619)-683-3932 North American Access/Action Points: TOPYBabylon, P.O. Box 3024, Fullerton, CA, 92631-3024 TOPYSothis, NY - alamut@netcom.com TOPYTerra (formerly TOPYNoCal), PO Box 410724, San Francisco, CA, 94141-0724 TOPYJoyTemple, P.O. Box 10789 Calder Square, State College, PA, 16805-0789 TOPYPyre, c/o 1901 Farmer, Tempe, AZ, 85281 SaltyTOPY, P.O. Box 521993, Salt Lake City, UT, 84152-1993 TOPYLuna, P.O. Box 95111, Seattle, WA, 98145-2111 -- --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---|---> Max Delysid (N2XKB) <-|-> Shin Shin Shukyo no Sensei! <---|---> Internetage: alamut@netcom.com - NewtonMail: mxd@online.apple.com --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: Supernews!supernews.com!daver!Tandem.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "M.K." Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos Subject: Re: TOPY-warning Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:03:13 +0200 Organization: Zona MajiKa Autonoma Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppi300-4204.krs.hia.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Xref: Supernews alt.magick:105816 alt.magick.chaos:13053 > > > TOPY has often publicly advocated extreme methods of shock or trauma in > effecting a paradigm shift as a major part of their philosophy, attitude, and > literature. Surprise, surprise...they also practice what they preach. If you > prefer a more 'reasonable', 'sane', and or 'soft' path which conforms to your > expectations then perhaps TOPY is not for you or your friend. Hmmm... Its strange how TOPY has changed (or so it seems) in the years after the main weight of the org became American-based... Used to be, TOPY wasnt any one thing but a bunch of stations with their own distinct flavours, used to be, TOPY was a knowing structure of selfaware Workers, using Katarsis-techniques to tear down fences of I & Eye and Love/Trust/Togetherness to build up strength and Self-Confidence. Used to be, Word of TOPY was Action, manifestation of Self on the background of tribe. Used to be, TOPY considered itself dangerous, a tribe of tribes of magicians, not a magiCKal group. Oh well, verily, it IS hard to kick against thee pricks... Just another IOToS group now, it seems, designed to pick up the industrialists who do not feel comfy with Abra Melin. They even got a paragraph declaring the will of the org, now. For those interested, we up here in Scandinavia is running a small scale culturalterrorist station under the name of TOPY T.R.A.S.S. (186-98-tjobing!) wich is basically a actiongroup performing positive streetsigilizations, usually in coordiantyion with other actions performed by various fractions of Origami RepubliKa. We realize that this is in no way a legal action, and we find the fact that someone in TOPY may be taking the fact of their own organization seriously enough to consider counteraction hysterically funny. These people need their nose twitched, before it fills up the entire field of their vision."Hello Yes Hello" "No Poets Own Words No Words Own Poets Own Poets No Words Words Own Poets No". And that IS a fact. > their founder Genesis who no longer associates himself with them. We sortta always thought he phreaked out on a superstar trip, too many pink caddilacs and American nights. Its a shame he did not retain cohesion. -- >It is better to build upon the shifting sands than the rock >which will confound you on the day it shatters. - P. Carroll >It sounds as if your friend has been much confounded. She shouldda had the head to expect something along the lines of what she got, if it was the end of her 23month initiatory cycle. I wouldda liked to see some recording of the ritual, to be able to judge the NRG wich was present. If its young people performing violent sex-acts, I can easily imagine the situation turning from katharsis-situation to downright rape. FoFo #49 Path: news.bjt.net!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.order,talk.religion.newage,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Max: TOPY and history Date: 6 Sep 1997 12:33:51 -0700 Organization: Bay Junction Technology, Inc. Lines: 66 Sender: tyagi@news.bjt.net Message-ID: Reply-To: max@alamut.wilder.net NNTP-Posting-Host: bay1.bjt.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.bjt.net alt.magick.tyagi:1008 alt.magick:6677 alt.magick.order:167 alt.magick.tantra:363 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: max@alamut.wilder.net] tim maroney wrote: > Perhaps the honored past sysop of Alamut BBS could tell us about > reforms if he is present. ah. that would be me... i haven't quite been following the discussion, i only just noticed it because someone posted the greybook. and then i found a semi-tepid flame war against topy and the fabled last passage of the greybook. first off, i should point out that i resigned from topy a few years ago, and have had no hand in defining any policies or activities since then. however, i did have a very strong hand in defining the policies of the temple during my involvement. i was the person who wrote the topy bylaws and incorporated the temple in the usa. it was stated in the bylaws, and was always my philosophy, that the Individual was the central unit of the temple. we stated clearly that the temples primary mission was to encourage and engender personal growth by supporting an Individuals magickal efforts - WHATEVER THEY MAY BE! further, we also clearly stated that if an individual wished to cease being an active member their sigil file would be returned to them upon request. this was also re-iterated in the info packets that were sent upon receipt of an Individuals first sigil. i was never very happy with the greybook as it stood. many sections of the book bothered me for their obviously personal attacks. the primary message of the greybook (the use of the sigil ritual) is so poorly written that most Individuals have entirely the wrong idea as to its purpose when they begin their sigil process. we were beginning to address these problems directly by putting the oral teaching of the temple into a new volume to replace the greybook as our central text. then things changed. these teachings still exist, and will yet see their way into print. TOPYNA was, and i suppose still is, a specifically thelemic organization. TOPYNA was, and i suppose still is, a teaching order - which tries to teach a form of magick that is immediatly within the grasp of all Individuals who dare to try. Christeos Pir [cfeldman@mindspring.com] wrote: > Entirely different topic: that of admission to a certain order being based > on giving them the means, via a magickal link, of spiritual constraint or > blackmail. blackmail? sorry. the primary ingredient for blackmail to work is guilt. hopefully, no matter what magickal system you work - especially if it is thelemic - guilt ceases to be an issue and so does blackmail. of course, i could point out that every magicakl order i can think of asks for a magickal link as a sign of belonging. am i wrong? --- M:.x:.D:. http://www.wilder.net/ you are no longer a slave. -- (emailed replies may be posted);join the AMT syncretism!!;call: 408/2-666-SLUG! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus; "Clement of Rome taught that God rules the world with a right and a left hand, the right being Christ, the left Satan." - CGJung To: alt.magick From: gpsecki@uclink3.berkeley.edu (G. P. Secki) Subject: Re: TOPY/the Process Date: 49941119 TOPY was started by musician Genesis P-Orridge in the middle Eighties, combining his personal philosophy with magick practices and secret society structures. He discontinued his involvement with the group in 1990, around the time he had to move his family to America, after being demonized by the British media and police. There is a very interesting article about P-Orridge in the compilation "Control X" written by TOPY member Simon Dwayer. This is from that article: "TOPY has never offered easy answers--it still doesn't. It is neither a cult, nor a religion. [...] TOPY simply strives to be a way of seeing just a little bit more than you first thought was there, of seeing through the image that is projected and dealing directly with the realities behind these myths, behind these masks.[...] Whatever your opinions, TOPY is a journey of discovery. Nothing less; and perhaps a great deal more" P-Orridge has authored several books, among them "Thee Psychick Bible" (with J.A. Rapoza and Monty Casaza) and "Magick Works" (with the late R.A.Wilson) For info on TOPY write (enclosing SAE) to TOPY Station 23 PO BOX 687 Halfway, Sheffield S19 5UX England Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cyronwode@aol.com (Cyronwode) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca,alt.magick,alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.ethics Subject: Re: FGreywolfe: A.O.Spare, Fra.U'D',TOPY Date: 8 Dec 1995 18:24:07 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 64 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cyronwode@aol.com (Cyronwode) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick.tantra:184 alt.magick.tyagi:5277 alt.pagan:136282 alt.religion.wicca:18165 alt.magick:60865 alt.lucky.w:262 alt.magick.ethics:694 tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (ny'rl'toth'p) wrote: >Frater Greywolfe wrote: >| Is it black magick to make charms? Under all (or no) circumstances? >Very black magick, yes, especially if you do so with herbs and if you >learn about geomancy. The darker arts are nearer the Earth, always. >| Which ones? >All charms qualify here, though those with oppositional energies and >egotistical purposes may well qualify as more darkly natural. Among folklorists the primary distinction seems to be a distinction made between apotropaic charms (intended to avert malevolent turns of events) and tropaic charms (intended to invite benevolent turns of events). How this distinction applies to what magicians call "white" and "black" magic (or what chaos magicians call "grey" magic, which falls between the two extremes) is not easy to discern, at least to me. Examples of apotropaic charms include blue glass eye, fica, corno, cat's eye shell, and hamsa hand amulets to avert the evil eye. This is not "black magic," in that no harm is intended, nor is there any magnification of the ego's selfish interests. But apotropaic charms are not "white," either, in that they do not call upon what most religiously-inclined people consider to be "high" forms of spiritual energy. Examples of tropaic charms include those which fall into the areas variously categorized as "white" and "grey" and black" magic. White: an "angel" amulet or a stone inscribed "peace;" Grey: an illa/canopa/chacra amulet to promote health and fertility in herd animals; Black: voodoo "Bendover" oil used to bring another person under one's control. The making of charms is far more complex than the dyadic distinction between "black:" and "white" magic would allow. Many charms -- especially the collage-like "Mexican Protection Packets" sold in Hispanic-influenced areas of California -- contain several elements that range from protective to attractive. One can attract money while repelling poverty and these packets aim to do so by utilizing an image of a Catholic saint known to take pity on the poor as well as a sacred seed associated with prosperity and the mimetic magic of gold sequins, magnets, and magnetized iron filings. Ultimately, the distinction between "white" and "black" is mediated by religious beliefs. If one's religion embraces the making of charms, a specified charm may be "white" -- but if one belongs to a religion which legislates charms, a charm that falls outside that framework (e.g. using a sacred seed instead of a saint image) may be seen as "grey" at best and as "black" at worst. In the end, i think that such distinctions convey more information about the culture of the person making the judgements than they do aboiut the charms per se. catherine yronwode cyronwode@aol.com alt.lucky.w -- the newsgroup of synchronicity, amulets, and talismans sustag-principles@ces.ncsu.edu -- e-mail list for the sacred landscape http://sunSITE.unc.edu/london/The_Sacred_Landscape.html (*&^*%%^%$@%^&%*&^*&^(*&*(&*(&**kaos magick**^&%$$#%$#$%$^%*^(& Chaos magick is one of the newest and currently most popular inspirations among modern-urban-techno-shamans. This is the cutting edge of ceremonial magick. It involves more spontaneity and attempts to integrate shamanism a little more directly. It is influenced by cyberpunk, modern physics, Freud and Jung (synchronicity), Austin Osman Spare, Chaos science, taoism, tibetan buddhism, many forms of shamanism, Gleick and fractals, IOT (founded by Peter Carroll), TOPY (temple of psychic youth), and a host of writers - many of them science fiction writers. Spare was not the first to practice this sort of magick, but he was the first to call it Chaos. He was one of the first to bring it to the ceremonial genre and therefore "legitimize" it. There is a direct connection between chaos and cyberpunk genres, and many if not most chaos mages have cyber connections. There was an article on cyberpunk in a major periodical recently. I think it was Time. I think it was in February'93 - so its mainstream enough. References (in chaotic order): *"Defining Chaos" by Mark Chao. *"Kathulu Magik" by Haramullah *"Liber Nigris" by Frater Nigris Sorcery as Virtual Mechanics by Stephen Mace The Collected Works of Austin Osman Spare by Christopher Bray The Book Of Pleasure by Austin Osman Spare Anathema Of Zos by Austin Osman Spare A Book Of Satyrs by Austin Osman Spare Images and Oracles of Austin Osman Spare by Kenneth Grant The Early Work by Austin Osman Spare Excess Spare by Austin Osman Spare Stations In Time by Austin Osman Spare Chaos: Making a New Science by James Gleick Turbulent Mirror by John Briggs & F. David Peat Liber Null & Psychonaut by Peter J. Carroll Practical Sigil Magick by Frater U.D. Masks of the Illuminati by Robert Anton Wilson The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson An Introduction to Chaos Magick by Adrian Savage *Published on the net....ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/magick and ptero.soar.cs.cmu.edu /occult (will change withing 6 months). Both have kaos/chaos directories. These essays were uploaded with permission of the authors so copyright is not a problem. Comments / Other: o "Defining Chaos" by Mark Chao is an excellent introduction. o "Kathulu Magik" by Haramullah is an interesting essay on theory by a practitioner. o "Liber Nigris" by Frater Nigris also falls within the chaos genre, though more dark than most. o Kenneth Grant, whose works are of the most respectable. o Ray Sherwin, whose great influence goes largely unrecognized. o Hakim Bey, whose work 'Chaos' is interesting and other writings nice. o Adrian Savage, who has many books including An Introduction to Chaos Magick, which lists other authors (published by Magickal Child).